IRMA E. WEBBER


Grandma authored six children's books—five about plants—published by William R. Scott, Inc. between 1943 and 1952.  Several of these were translated into in a number of languages; for example Up Above & Down Below appeared in Bengali, Persian and Japanese and possibly others.  Even in English, different editions have different subtitles; thus Travelers All is subtitled "How Plants Go Places," "The Story of How Seeds Travel" and "How Plants Move Around").  In a 1962 letter editor John R. McCullough wrote to Grandma, "Italy appears to have no trillium and Italy wishes to publish Anywhere in the World omitting pages 26 and 27 which talks about wood flowers and leaf cover with reference to the trillium."    Of the books, It Looks Like This achieved the widest distribution as it was republished in 1976 by the International Society for General Semantics and subsequently published in various languages and editions. Useful insights on these books and the inspiration for them:
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speech text for City of Los Angeles Board of Education, Nov. 15, 1944

My little books, UP ABOVE AND DC·WN B􀀽LO'N and TRAVELERS ALL, are the result of my being both mother and botanist. While I was trained to be a teacher, my teachers credential was of the general secondary kind, and my teaching experience was at the University of California. For that reason, my views on science and books for young children are based mostly on experiences with my own children and their friends.

Any mother of young children will tell you it is a bit difficult to give her family the care it needs, do the housework, and also pursue a career. My idea has always been to simplify and organize household tasks so that they will take as little time as possible in order to have more time for other things. As both my husband and his father are also botanists, they understand fully why botany should interest me, and have always encouraged me to devote as much time as possible to botanical studies.
 
When my son was a baby, I always reserved his nap time for my study time. When he reached the toddler stage and slept less, I often did botanical work while he played. We had a large enclosed back yard, and I used to send him outside to amuse himself as he chose while I did likewise. In this way I managed to accomplish a good deal of scientific work despite frequent interruptions. For Herbert kept coming in with the request, "Mama, come see"., and I usually felt that I should see what he had discovered. Usually the thing that thrilled him was something that most grownups wouldn't have noticed, or would have taken thoroughly for granted. I remember Herbert wanting me to see clouds move in the sky, plants emerging from the soil, flowers coming into bloom or falling to pieces, birds pecking figs, earthworms, rocks, and insects. And I'll never forget the look of amazement on hie face when he came in all out of breath to tell me, "Mama, kitty digs".

Sometimes when Herbert asked me to come see things, he really wanted me to feel or smell, or hear something. For he discovered that sunflower leaves are rough, petunia leaves are sticky, and rose leaves are prickly, that flowers don't all smell alike, and birds don't all sound alike. 

When Herbert was four, Irma Jean was born, and of course that meant , for a while at least, I would be devoting more time to the family, and consequently less to botany. In order to give me a little time for uninterrupted botanical research, my husband, on days away from the office, would often take Herbert for a walk while Irma Jean took a nap. When the walkers returned I always heard about some of the wonderful things they had seen. Sometimes it would be ants, - ants that were red instead of black, or great big ants that carried seeds even bigger than they were. Sometimes it would be a mud puddle, or the way the ground cracked to form little cakes when the puddle dried up. Usually, besides stories of interesting things they had seen, there were pockets, bags, bottles or cans full of samples. These included rocks that glistened, rocks that were red or round or smooth, or that a small boy could break with his hands. And of course there were seed pods and autumn leaves and bits of bark, and polliwogs and pussywillows.

By the time Herbert was ready for first grade he had a better knowledge of nature and much greater appreciation of all sorts of natural history objects than many men. He also had formed the habit of telling what daddy says about all sorts of things. This being so, I probably shouldn't have been surprised when at a P.T.A. meeting his first grade teacher told me what was supposed to be a joke. She said that one day somebody had brought a horned toad to school, and Herbert, according to custom had quoted his daddy on the subject of horned toads. As she wanted to get off the subject of horned toads and on with the class work that was supposed to be done that day, she terminated Herbert's remarks by saying, "That's fine Herbert. You are a lucky boy to have a daddy that can tell you about so many things. Some parents can't do that, because they know only about their own special kind of work." To that she said Herbert replied, "Yes, that's right. Now my daddy knows all about everything, but my mamma knows just about wood."

Of course it was easy enough for me to see that Herbert's statement was based on the fact that I was in the habit of staying home to watch sister and study the microscopic structure of woods whenever Herbert and his father went forth to explore Mt. Rubidoux. And I knew that no normal six year old could possibly be as interested in the minute structure of wood as in seeing a ground squirrel run into its hole, or in discovering that pine nuts are edible. It was just a clear cut case of scientific specialization being much [less] appealing to a youngster than a general knowledge of nature which made every day living pleasanter. But I wasn't content to just realize this, laugh it off, and let my son continue to regard me as ignorant, and probably have my daughter grow up with a similar opinion. It seemed that the best way I could better Herbert's opinion of me was to demonstrate that my interest in woods was only a part of my interest in nature. So the next time Herbert and daddy went for a walk, Irma Jean and I went along. As Irma Jean was only two, she wasn't able to walk very fast or very far, but we all had a good time seeing things and talking about them, and inaugurating our family custom of taking walks together.

With nature walks an established part of our family life, and a two year old daughter that didn't like to play alone when brother was at school, I would have had practically no time for botanical research if Dr. Gertrude Turner Huberty hadn't established a small but very good nursery school for the benefit of her own children. At this nursery school I knew that Irma Jean was thoroughly happy and in very good hands, and while both children were in school I had a few hours each day for real concentrated botanical endeavors. But this wonderful set-up came to an end. The Hubertys moved to Los Angeles. One of Dr.Huberty's assistants bought her nursery school equipment, and for a while ran the nursery school at her home. But before Irma Jean was four, the school closed. As Irma Jean craved companionship and was very unhappy about having to stay at home instead of going to school, I tried to cheer her up by amusing her in various ways. She helped me do the housework and cooking,we worked together in the garden, played little games, drew pictures, painted, and of course read books. As plants and animals were among Irma Jean's major interests at the time, I tried to get some informational books about plants and animals that would appeal to her. I soon discovered that the field of science books for very young children hadn't received the attention I thought it should have.

Gradually it dawned on me that it might be a good plan for me to shift my interest from intensely technical publications to science books for young children. It seemed to me that by so doing, I would be able to spend the time I liked to spend looking at nature's marvels with my children without ever questioning that such time was being spent to beat advantage. Also, I was convinced that books of the type I had in mind would be at least as worthwhile a contribution to society as any of the technical botanical papers I had written or might write.

UP ABOVE AND DOWN BELOW was my first book venture. When it was finished, I got a writer's magazine listing the interests of various publishers, picked a place to send the manuscript, and waited hopefully. After several weeks it came back, express  collect, with a standard printed rejection slip. In the months that followed, I acquired what would have been a discouraging collection of these, if they hadn't been interspersed with words of praise from various editors who hoped I would have luck in placing the manuscript with some other publisher. Such editors letters made me realize that publishers are in the publishing business for profits, that colored picture books are expensive to produce, that competition in the field of children's books is keen, and that books on special subjects do not have as large a sale as those of a more general nature. Fully aware of all these things, I sent UP ABOVE AND DOWN BELOW to William R. Scott Inc.,

Naturally I was thrilled when their editor Mr. McCullough, wrote that he liked it and wanted to keep it with the idea of trying to fit it into their publishing program at some future time. And I was thrilled again, when Mr. McCullough wrote that they would publish it if I made certain changes necessary for more economical manufacture. These involved changing the book from one bound at the top to one bound at the aide, making the story fit into thirty two pages, and doing over the naturalistic illustrations so that the book would not require more than three colors. Mr. McCullough offered some helpful suggestions as to how to go about all of these things, and accepted UP ABOVE AND DOWN BELOW for publication when they were done to his satisfaction. So, nearly three years after I had completed the original manuscript, my first book went on sale. As I had sold all rights in the book to William R. Scott Inc., it supposedly wouldn't make any difference to me how well the book sold. However I was hopeful that it would sell well, For I felt that it was really a trial balloon that would indicate the demand for the sort of books I thought I might produce. And also, I was hopeful that a publisher brave enough to accept a manuscript that had been turned down by so many others, presumably because it would be unprofitable to publish, wouldn't lose too heavily on the venture. Accordingly, I was delighted when Mr. McCullough wrote that the book selling so much better than they figured it would, that they would be able to give me a new contract stipulating payment of royalties and an option on my next two manuscripts.

TRAVELERS ALL went directly to William R. Scott Inc. and Mr. McCullough accepted it. However Mr. McCullough went into the army before deciding what changes would have to be made in the manuscript before it could become a Young Scott Book. Mr. Scott was responsible for editing this one, and barely finished the job before he too went into the army. He felt that tryouts indicated that children would like it at least as well as UP ABOVE AND DOWN BELOW, and the sales record of that book indicated that there probably would be sufficient demand for TRAVELERS ALL to permit using four colors in it.

Naturally I am hoping he was right about this, for it is only as this type of book proves that it isn't a money loser for the publisher that others of similar nature will be published. From my own standpoint, the financial returns for the time spent are certainly not very great. My greatest rewards for work of this type are pleasure in the work itself, and feeling that my little books are filling a welcome spot in the lives of children, and perhaps even in the lives of their teachers and librarians.